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DISCUSSION FORUMS : Forkliftaction.communicate
Forum: Lifting machines
Discussion:  Walklie pallet trucks...which one?
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MFExpress
Quebec, Canada 		I'm on the hunt for a new walkie truck and I've visited 4 of the main vendors in my area.

Cat WP4500        $4995
Crown WP2300   $5200
Yale MPB040-E    $4195
Raymond 102XM  $4295

I've narrowed my decision down to either the Raymond or the Yale, but I can't decide between the two. Raymond comes standard with many more features vs the Yale which makes me lean towards Raymond, but is simpler sometimes better in terms of electronic gadgets (locking keypad/digital battery indicator...)
I'd like to konw what you guys would choose if you were me.

Thanks

Posted 16 May 2008 04:13 AM Reply  Report this message
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Prodik
nil, Singapore 		From your choice, it seems that budget is an issue.

Look at the specs and build quality. And of course, not forgeting the after-sales service

Posted 20 May 2008 06:40 PM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
North Carolina, United States

 		ask the salesman to take you to lunch, and buy from the guy that takes you to a sitdown dinner at a BBQ place....

Posted 20 May 2008 09:08 PM Reply  Report this message
JonG
United States 		I agree with the comment on service availability. It can be the best product in the world, but if it can not be fixed it's not any use.
You also want to look at the power pack each dealer offers. Which supplier will offer a better warranty, is the power pack coming from a vendor with service in your area? You're not just buying a walkie, but the power as well.
Posted 20 May 2008 09:13 PM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		It seems you are leaning towards the 2 lowest priced units for consideration and maybe concerned about extra features like a battery discharge indicator that may may cause you "extra" maintanenace issues.   Some of these extra features will save you $$ & a lot of headaches in the future.  For example, the battery discharge indicator is equal to a fuel gauge in your car.  Would you buy a car without one?  When would you know when it is time to recharge the battery?  You can overcharge a battery for sure (batteries have a limited number of charge cycles the faster you use them up the sooner you'll need to replace)

If you are looking for a piece of equipment that will provide you will extened service life take a look at things like vehicle weight, lift cylinder sizes, load & drive tire sizes, amount of lift, battery/charge type and specifications (like battery amp-hour capacity) being offer - flooded battery, maintenance free, industrial type, etc.

You local sales people should be able to give you additional information on their proposals.

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Posted 22 May 2008 09:42 PM Reply  Report this message
Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		If you really want to know what price gets you call the local Crown dealer and ask to see the brand comparison brochuer or better yet the actual component comparison kit they have.It shows all the parts of the major brands seperate from the machines. Eg: drive unit, frame, motors, it also shows servicability and wearability (are the tension bars adjustable for example). Give them a call you won't be disappointed

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The bitterness of a poor repair remains long after the sweetness of low price is gone.

Posted 17 Jul 2008 03:16 AM Reply  Report this message
mike_n
Alberta, Canada 		-The Crown's are ok units (just don't believe all the propaganda).
-The Yales are ok, just keep the load-wheel shackles well greased (I've seen worn-out shackles in as little as 27 hours!) (BTW, installing bushings solves the problem)
-I'm not a fan of the Raymonds (too fancy & overly complicated for a walky jack that is going to see a ton of abuse IMHO)
-I assume the Cat is a rebadged Junheinrich (sp?), so there may be issues with parts and service (at least here there is anyway)

You should mainly base your choice on dealer support.
It's always fun to buy the cheapest (or even most expensive) unit, only to have it sit for weeks at a time whenever it breaks down.
Posted 18 Jul 2008 02:14 AM Reply  Report this message
rockyb1
North Carolina, United States 		I'm interested by the Crown propaganda comment?!?  
What's that all about?

Posted 18 Jul 2008 06:17 AM Reply  Report this message
Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		It's not propaganda.If you take three macines and take them apart and examine the quality it's pretty easy to see who has the better design.
Crown did that and made it possible to educate consumers on what they typically wouldn't look at (frames,drive unit design,one lift cylinder vs two and undercarriages for example) when puchasing equipment.
In this day and age equipment manufacturers need to produce equipment that has good servicability and economic lifecycles.
After that it's up to the customer which way they want to go.

Posted 18 Jul 2008 07:48 AM Reply  Report this message
Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		Mikey's like a man without a country.

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Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		Right Mikey

Modified 18 Jul 2008 07:54 AM
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rockyb1
North Carolina, United States 		I think that it's important to remember in this day and age with the economy as bad as it is that Crown designs and manufacturers 85% of its lift truck components, how many others can say that!

Posted 18 Jul 2008 10:36 PM Reply  Report this message
Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		Absolutley

Posted 19 Jul 2008 00:21 AM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
North Carolina, United States

 		why would it be important that "Crown manufactures" any given % of the truck, and how did you get those numbers?
I am under the impression every other truck is 100% manufactured. is Crown growing 15% of the truck and manufacturing the rest?
are you trying to discount how much casting, machining and other manufacturing is done for Crown by vendors? are you trying to discount how many controllers Crown has used that were not Crown manufactured, or just to point out they grow 15% of their own parts?
what % of part numbers in Crowns parts catalog are manufactured by Crown in New Bremen Ohio?

if I take 3 or 4 trucks, I can find a part in each truck that is not as good as the part in each of the other trucks, but that does not mean the truck is better or better for the amount of money it will cost to purchase or own. (brakes not as good on truck A, as my truck Z, lift not as fast above first stage on truck B as on my truck Z, Carriage not as see through on Truck C as on my truck Z)
never (or rarely) mentioning that the better points of trucks A, B, or C over truck Z.
All designs are sets of compromises,
your mileage may vary

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johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		You are right on teh $$ edward t.  Engineering at its best is a compromise.  They (engineers) use the + & - chart, always and forever.

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Posted 20 Jul 2008 07:05 AM Reply  Report this message
Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		No ones trying to play down any one piece of equipment but I think you should look at the original post. Engineering wasn't the question, it was brand,model and apples to apples.

Cheers.

Posted 22 Jul 2008 01:47 AM Reply  Report this message
rockyb1
North Carolina, United States 		edward t -
Apparently I need to clairfy my statement a little more for you.....
"Crown designs and manufactures 85 percent of its lift truck components, including key parts like motors, drive units, and electronic modules. " I was merely trying to point out that a Crown unit may cost more but you get what you are pay for.  By using vertical integration Crown can modify schedules to enable machining a single part if necessary.  

Posted 22 Jul 2008 04:46 AM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
North Carolina, United States

 		Rockyb1-
Apparently, I need to clarify my questions in relation to your quote.
Can you point us to where that quote is from? (give an attribute?) or is it a statistic you came up with for the moment?
Can you give us more accurate and less general statistics and explain how you arrived at those numbers?  
I am wondering just who is included with the "Crown Designs and manufacturers". is that all (85%) work done by people who have the word Crown on their pay checks? does it include all the transport workers who move the goods? does that include the Crown's China operations? does it include the parts manufactured by others (contactors and tips?) as each component counted as 1 part or does it include each subcontractor's part as 1 assembly and so less % of parts not designed by crown? (% or PN in Crowns Parts catolog?)
And does that include everything ever made by Crown or is it on some particular day or some start time? inquiring minds would like to know!

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Gordo
Alberta, Canada 		Can anyone say anal.
You need to get out more Eddie.

Posted 22 Jul 2008 11:41 PM Reply  Report this message
rockyb1
North Carolina, United States 		Edward t
The quote came directly from Crown's website.  You are obviously not a Crown fan and I'm not trying to convert you, my guess is you probably work for one of their competitors.  I was merely trying to highlight out the good points about purchasing Crown.    

Posted 23 Jul 2008 00:20 AM Reply  Report this message
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