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Forum: Lifting machines
Discussion:  What's the best 16,000 lb. "LP" forklift?
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Rodchester
Virginia, United States 		I'm looking for a new 16,000 to 18,000 lb. capacity "LP" forklift. This lift will run 16 hours a day, 6 days a week. I use a Linde H80D, 17,500 capacity lift now. This lift does a good job but it's dieseal. Linde doesent make a "LP" lift of this size.  I've got a Taylor and a Hyster "LP" but their to slow and don't have the guts that the Linde does.

Posted 11 Oct 2008 01:19 AM Reply  Report this message
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duodeluxe
New Hampshire, United States 		You won't find many trucks this size that run on LP and you won't find any that have the guts that the Linde offers. Linde just introduced a new series diesel truck in that size and it is Tier 3 compliant which means that the exhaust emissions are negligible. Give your local dealer a call to find out more information.

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gitrucks@adelphia.net

Posted 14 Oct 2008 03:15 AM Reply  Report this message
dutch
California, United States 		The New Linde engine actually meets Tier 4 emissions standards that don't go into effect until 2013.  It will be labeled "Tier 4 Interim"  It's probably the cleanest industrial diesel engine in the world today.  Also better HP and better torque than its predecessor.  Linde actually does offer this chassis in LPG in Europe.

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Modified 17 Oct 2008 12:49 AM
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shadetree
Ontario, Canada 		good luck finding a linde that will stay running steady without leaking evrywhere!

Posted 19 Oct 2008 05:55 AM Reply  Report this message
duodeluxe
New Hampshire, United States 		I guess I've got to count myself lucky hundreds of times over and so do many others. Why would tens of thousands of people the world over spend 20+% more for a forklift truck that won't stay running and leaks everywhere and the stupidest thing is that they buy them again and again.
You know they're probably the ones that have caused this financial meltdown too. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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gitrucks@adelphia.net

Posted 22 Oct 2008 06:14 AM Reply  Report this message
justinm
New York, United States

 		if you have a linde that leaks everywhere and wont stay running, then you have...

A) neglected and abused it
or
B) a really shtty service company
or
C) both lol

ive worked as a linde dealer tech for over ten years at my prior job
linde is the best truck out there by leaps and bounds
i seen lots of older lindes still in service with no leaks and always run


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New York, New York its a heluva town ..you know that The Bronx is up ..and im Brooklyn down

Modified 4 Nov 2008 00:42 AM
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danny_k
Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom 		What engine are Linde using in the Tier 4 trucks? cant be Perkins they dont make an engine that doesnt smoke!!!(and leak)

Posted 4 Nov 2008 03:20 AM Reply  Report this message
duodeluxe
New Hampshire, United States 		It is a Deutz water cooled engine. The Perkins 1004.4 that was used in the 352 series truck was a nice engine. Low exhaust emissions, quiet and didn't leak. I can't say the same for the 3 cylinder Perkins that was used in the 351 series truck.

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gitrucks@adelphia.net

Posted 4 Nov 2008 03:25 AM Reply  Report this message
Rodchester
Virginia, United States 		It's kind of funny, I asked what brand of lift is avaiable in a 16,000 lb. capacity that has an LP engine. And that the Linde's I use now do a great job, but they don't offer it in a LP. Since then several people have really thrown off on Linde lifts. I currently have 44 lifts running production every week. 11 Hysters, 1 Yale, 3 Cat's, 1 Mitsubishi, 9 Taylors, 1 Moffett, 6 Nissan's and 12 Linde's. The Linde's will run circules around all the other lifts, they have Deutz or VW engine, hydrostastic drive (no brakes), the engine automaticaly increases rpm's as the mast is raised. I could go on and on about how much better a Linde is. They are such a great lift that I just ordered 6 more. Anyway, the Linde people tell me that if there is enough interest in a 16,000 LP lift here in the USA that they will have one here in the next year or two. "German Engineering"

Posted 4 Nov 2008 04:25 AM Reply  Report this message
kevin_k
dumfriesshire, United Kingdom

 		you can get 8 ton lpg hyster straight off the shelf . great machine . excellent cab and a lot stronger upright than a linde h80d .you can also get oil imerrsed brakes . some operators i know hate hydrostatic drive , they like to coast a little

Posted 4 Nov 2008 05:25 AM Reply  Report this message
justinm
New York, United States

 		any operator that hated a linde's controls changed their tune after a week or so
it takes a lil getting used to but its the better system
most comment on how safe the linde feels

aside from that unfortunately LPG isnt an option for these as a diesel will be more efficient (hence little demand) and the new engines are tier 3 and very clean (they claim better than tier 3 performance as stated earlier)

i dont think many LP trucks of this size are gonna be able to go toe to toe with a linde diesel

for example
available in america that hyster kev mentions above is probably the H155
the next step up is only diesel (H170)
in LP the Hyster will come with a GM 4.3 liter Vortech
its rated for 103 HP @ 2400 rpm and torque is 225 ft/lbs @ 2400 rpm

the H80 Linde is rated for 116 HP @ 2200 rpm and 346 ft/lbs of torque @ 1600 rpm

thus making the lindes feel way more powerful (cause they are lol)

even the optional cummings 4.6L in the hyster is only rated at
78 HP @ 2050 rpm and 225 ft/lbs of torque @ 1300 rpm
still the linde looks better as far as power

i assume the need for LP is for easier fuel storage?
if that isnt an issue id go right back to the Linde

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New York, New York its a heluva town ..you know that The Bronx is up ..and im Brooklyn down

Modified 5 Nov 2008 05:24 AM
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justinm
New York, United States

 		o and dont forget lower ratings moving the same loads will consume more fuel so that may offset things too



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New York, New York its a heluva town ..you know that The Bronx is up ..and im Brooklyn down

Posted 5 Nov 2008 05:33 AM Reply  Report this message
kevin_k
dumfriesshire, United Kingdom

 		justin mate .i was meaning your h170xm (h80xm europe ) 155 hp cummins 6ltr lpg option .

Posted 6 Nov 2008 04:49 AM Reply  Report this message
Herald
lancashire, United Kingdom 		Come on Kevin we all know you are a fan of Linde probably the best truck in he world:-)

Posted 6 Nov 2008 09:49 AM Reply  Report this message
dan_p
Illinois, United States 		If you're looking for a cushion tire LP forklift in that capacity range, Hoist Liftruck has the Titan Series that could work for you. Manufacturing is out of its Chicago headquarters.

Posted 7 Nov 2008 00:20 AM Reply  Report this message
kevin_k
dumfriesshire, United Kingdom

 		settle down herald . have you been sniffing loctite again

Posted 7 Nov 2008 04:00 AM Reply  Report this message
Herald
lancashire, United Kingdom 		Loctite no but brake cleaner mmmm!!

Posted 7 Nov 2008 06:25 AM Reply  Report this message
justinm
New York, United States

 		hey kev
i see that LPG option in the spec sheets
it is more powerful 155hp and the diesel cummings has a torque of 450 or so id imagine the LPG version is less
but theyre diff sized machines
the linde H80 has a much tighter turning radius and is a smaller  truck
the Hyster is one of the big machines the comparable linde would be the 359
this H80 is a 396

if size isnt an issue then the hyster may be good

i will say this for certain
Linde is the best machine ive ever worked on
once you know them they arent that hard to fix

once someone buys one its hard to sell them something else


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New York, New York its a heluva town ..you know that The Bronx is up ..and im Brooklyn down

Posted 7 Nov 2008 07:25 AM Reply  Report this message
Rodchester
Virginia, United States 		justinm, sound like you know Linde's. I've got to have a 16,000 to 18.000 LB.,small frame, "HEAVY DUTY", powerful, fast, maintenance free, good vision fork lift. Linde is the only machine that I've seen that has this. But don't forget, LP. The chev 350 LP just can't match the Deutz diesel engine. I've got a Hyster 155 with the chev engine and a Taylor THD160 with the chev engine. Trust me everybody the Hyster or the Linde are no match for the Linde. I do understand that a diesel engine is much better than a gas engine. This machine runs inside, it's got to be LP.

Posted 7 Nov 2008 10:25 AM Reply  Report this message
justinm
New York, United States

 		im not 100% sure here but
depending on the size of your facility
and the tier 3 emissions
this may be clean enough to work indoors

the linde brochure has a pic of a H80 working indoors with a roll clamp

lmh-na DOT com/products/Brochures/Brochure_396_051408.pdf  

other than that you may have to settle for the less powerful machines of a lesser make :(

i used to be a linde dealer tech (also mitsu/cat)  but i left that place and i started my own shop
i still work on tons of lindes (tonnes for kev lol)

most manufacturers use the 4.3 now for larger LPG trucks
its a decent engine but wont match up to a diesel  

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New York, New York its a heluva town ..you know that The Bronx is up ..and im Brooklyn down

Modified 7 Nov 2008 10:46 AM
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