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Forum: Industry News & Whispers
Discussion:  Who has the best 3 wheel electric sit out there?
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trainer
Indiana, United States
This for a North American response.
however all 2 cents worth is ever accepted!

Cheers!

Posted 2 May 2006 10:54 AM Reply  Report this message
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jon_b
Cheshire, United Kingdom
Jungheinrich have an excellent range of 24 volt and 48 volt three wheeler counterbalances. All are AC powered and are built in Germany to the highest engineering standards at very reasonable prices. Check out ttp://[url/email removed]-us.com

Posted 8 May 2006 10:11 PM Reply  Report this message
Kiwi
North island, New Zealand
I agree the Junghienrich units are very comfotable for the operator,but in my experience they seem to have a habit of blowing controll cards quite regularly with not a lot of hours on the clock-expecially if the unit is travelling out-side frequently or being used in a freezer enviroment.Making for a very costly ownership + downtime.Maby these German units are better suited to the perfect working conditions found in Germany.

Posted 11 May 2006 07:17 AM Reply  Report this message
will_d
Ontario, Canada
I agree, there is a different standard for forklift operators in europe. Over there the back end of the forklift better look the same as the operators car, all the bumping and scrapping are considered accidents, until we get that quality of operator I guess we need tough lift trucks instead of nice driving ergonomically enhanced equipment.

Posted 12 May 2006 00:05 AM Reply  Report this message
trainer
Indiana, United States
Europe is much different! I agree with Will_d

Clark just came out with a new All AC unit with ZAPI controls, same ones that NACCO (Hyster & Yale) utilize.

Nissan also has a new (Jan 2006) all AC unit

Crown has a truck..... but I think they still use carbon pile or squirrels on a wheel to power it......

;-)

Anyone seen a Tusk or Komatsu 3 wheeler?

How about Linde?

Posted 12 May 2006 00:17 AM Reply  Report this message
Kiwi
North island, New Zealand
I dont know about Tusk,but Komatsu gear always seems to be very lightweight and cheap,we on the other hand had experience with Linde's and they proved to very expensive when it came to maintenence time,even when they sold the units as having the lowest total cost of ownership.We have been running Crown SC4040's for the last 3 years and they have proved to be the most solid and reliable and also the cheapest to maintain in a cold storage hard inviroment.

Posted 12 May 2006 06:26 AM Reply  Report this message
JML2005
Virginia, United States
Interesting, as the controller is in a fully sealed aluminum box, so freezer should not be an issue. It has even a Goretex membrane to let sweatwater from going in and out of a freezer devapurate from the controller box. We have 8 units in an soft ice production plant and they run just fine.

Posted 19 May 2006 09:16 AM Reply  Report this message
Kiwi
North island, New Zealand
That is the same yarn there sales team gave us,but they didnt stand up to the inviroment.If you decided to use that brand of equipment I would reccomend a fully maintained lease option so you dont get stung for the price of parts because they are very expensive to fix.

Posted 22 May 2006 08:33 AM Reply  Report this message
John_Lambert
Victoria, Australia
Trust all of you using three wheel forklifts appreciate the inherent increase in risk compared to four wheel units. With three wheel units the safety triangle cannot be improved with systems like the Toyota stability system

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Posted 30 May 2006 06:26 PM Reply  Report this message
jon_b
Cheshire, United Kingdom
Regarding Kiwi's point -
I know what you mean about the Jungheinrich control cards, it was a problem here about two years ago when they first set up the 24 and 48v with AC power. However the reliability now they have gone to making thier own cards is much better, plus they are now much cheaper...
Regarding John's point -
The idea that a 3 wheeler can ever be as stable as a 4 wheeler is interesting. The german equipment is now coming complete with systems like 'curve control' to reduce speed dependent on steering direction but I don't think on counterbalances you will ever beat wheels at the corners for stability. 4 Wheel a bit of a compromise on turning circle sometimes, this is where 3 wheel is certainly best.

Posted 2 Jun 2006 02:48 AM Reply  Report this message
John_Lambert
Victoria, Australia
One of the big problems with forklift safety is that we have an inherently unstable heavy lift device with nothing like the safety factors required for cranes and lifting slings et cetera - in fact if a forklift were designed to just comply with the international standards it would have virtually no safety factor at all with the load at full height or when travelling empty. We then compound the issue by wanting to maximise storage within a given building area by demanding the narrowist possible aisle widths and maximum racking height. This is regardless of the fact that to operate in those narrow aisles we have to compromise safety further by for example requiring three wheel machines. and we also compromise safety once we take racking height above around 4.5 - 5.0 metres when we are using counterbalance or reach trucks.

What we all need to do is take a step back and really analyse the hazards and carry out a thorough risk assessment.

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Posted 2 Jun 2006 07:19 AM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States
The Tusk truck is nothing more than an excact replacement for the Kalmar AC brand name (Kalmar would no longer allow Komatsu to use their name).  The Tusk is built by Komatsu in Covington, GA a the same facility that built the Kalmar AC.  The Tusk  & Komatsu lift truck marketing arms have web sites and you down load spec sheets etc on both products & compare.

Posted 3 Jun 2006 02:29 AM Reply  Report this message
Chrissa
Australia
For more information on the "Tusk" brand, here's a Forkliftaction.com News story:

http://www.forkliftaction.com/news/newsdisplay.asp?nwid=2593.


Modified 5 Jun 2006 09:58 AM
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trainer
Indiana, United States
Tusk is the new incarnation of Kalmar

as I overheard told, TUSK is Komatsu's way of marketing a Far East truck in NA with an american sounding name....

Is there a price difference?
Dunno...

Nice angle However, Tusk......hmmmm

I know they paid someone to come up with that name.
Me personally I would ask for my money back!


Posted 5 Jun 2006 10:38 AM Reply  Report this message
scissorshand
Selangor, Malaysia
Not sure abt the rest, we had a client whose such a demanding jackass so much so wanted to cancel our E15C BR 322 Series 3 wheeler. So he had the local Junghienrich came, sent the demo, 1.5 ton, 3 stg with ISS and the truck keeps on hitting the pallet on the selective racks. On the Linde, it was a breeze so much so the client decided to renew our contract at a higher price for 3 more years.

BTW, the aisle is 3300mm with 150mm pallet overhang on each side. The same aisle is used for the Linde R14S AC reachtruck with 8.2m lift. Jungheinrich was asked immediate on the day of delivery to pick up it's truck.

Posted 12 Jun 2006 03:18 PM Reply  Report this message
hanck_c
Capital Federal, Argentina
If you are looking for a 100% AC truck up to 2 tons, Clark´s new TMX series is a must see. Tusk, I  understand, gegin at 2 tons and go up from there.

Posted 20 Jun 2006 01:41 AM Reply  Report this message
justinm
New York, United States

if u can get a hold of an older (2-3 years old) linde e16-02 thats the model u want its all dc but very reliable
new linde machines are rx50 and the er-18 i believe (3 wheel ac models )
these are new units and seem to be performing well although the rx50 has a very short tilt angle (3 deg fwd) and not good for unloading the tails of trucks on an angled docks er18 has standard tilt angles

these are made by still in germany

Modified 30 Jun 2006 10:29 AM
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John_Lambert
Victoria, Australia
A note of caution.

Forklift stability is always an issue. The deign standards are based on a flat floor and in the worst case a slope of no more than 2%. This is because the standard requires the frklift be tested in ideal conditions with the load at full height to a slope as low as 3.5%. As a reiult a greater slope than 2% constitutes a ramp.

Hence if you have a situation where you require a forward tilt of more than 3 degrees which is 5% you should review your operational situation.

And this is especially so where your operation requires 3 wheel forklifts which cannot be made as safe as the 4 wheel units with advanced stability controls

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Better to strive and experience all life’s colours from pain to ecstasy than to exist in a grey life

Posted 1 Jul 2006 09:11 AM Reply  Report this message
gary_d
scotland, United Kingdom

stills r50 and now rx50 no contest

Posted 27 Sep 2007 07:06 AM Reply  Report this message
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